romney is running better than mccain ran in the polls. and i do believe it's because of disenchantment with president obama i know a will the of people myself antidotal doesn't do much good here. who they are not sure about romney, that's why i'm saying that the first debate means everything if he can inspire people who are not devoted. 42% devoted to president obama are not going to vote for romney. there is swing area there where if the president comes off weak or flustered. if romney can fluster him. romney is going to pick those up quickly there is much bigger than the first debate. >> i would say president obama is a known quantity. is he probably not going to change people's opinions of him. romney is a little different. even though he has been doing this for years now we have been through a whole series. people didn't watch those. people didn't watch the convention he have a big audience he is the one that needs to make a big impression. >> bill: no doubt. people need to look at the two men on the stage and think gee i can see that